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AKSpraya XDTalk 2K Member. The serial numbe on the frame (grip area) is the same 6 numbers and has an S or a 5 stamped at the end of the numbers but looks like it is not contiguous with the serial.perhaps done after mfg? The other side of the slide has the Carl Walther Stamp and then Waffenfabrik and it looks like Um / Da (sorry.

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Just spent an interesting hour talking with a nice old WWII USAAF vet who flew P-47s in Italy and then France after D-day. He brought back a number of war souvenirs, one of which was a Walther PPK. I don't have a photo, but it's in about 95% condition, high polish blue, with brown Walther banner plastic stocks. The only magazine has a finger rest, also brown plastic. The slide reflects Zella Mehlis manufacture.

The most common variant is the Walther PPK, a smaller version of the PP with a shorter grip, barrel and frame, and reduced magazine capacity.A new, two-piece wrap-around grip panel construction was used to conceal the exposed back strap. The smaller size made it more concealable than the original PP and hence better suited to plainclothes or undercover work. My Grandfather gave my Father tonight a Walther PPK serial number 217167. There is no suffix to the serial number. What I am reading is the serial numbers started in the 750000. Any experts here that could shed some light? This Walther Model PPK was made in about 1937. The standard German marking at the time for PP and PPK models was for the use of a six-digit serial number, followed by a letter suffix as necessary. When the PP pistol sequence reached 999,999, Walther switched to a P suffix. Walther's Patent Cal 7,65 m/m. Finish: high polished Finish, blued: Grips: one piece chequered Bakelit with Walther-banner, black: Serial number: 6-digits number with suffix 'K' right on frame. 6-digits number with suffix 'K' right on slide. 6-digits number on magazine spine with additional 2 (spare magazine).

It has a small proof on the left side of the slide - not having a magnifying glass, I could not make it out clearly, but I recall no number under the eagle, so it's not a waffenamt. I think this is a commercial gun. The serial number is 285930, no suffix. We've got a lot of knowledgeable folks on the board - can anyone tell me the year of manufacture?

I'm estimating 1940, but I cannot glean much info of the internet. I understand Hoffschmidt's Know your Walther PPK book has a serial number chart, but I don't happen to have one. Can anyone help me help this member of the greatest generation? Thanks, John (Added 10/21/14) See pictures on post #4! Ser# 285,xxx on a Walther PPK (ZellaMellis) should have a 'K' suffix to the number on the frame. The matching ser# marked on the right side of the slide was generally with-out the suffix.

Serial numbering for the PP pistol started at #75,000 (1929) PPK production started shortly after that (maybe late 31 or '32) and used the same serial number range as the PP model. When ser#'s reached 1,000,000 for each Model,the numbers were started over again at the 100,000,plus the addition of a 'P' suffix on the PP and a 'K' suffix on the PPK. (A few thousand run of PPk's were ser#'d with so called 7 digit numbers (million series),no suffix letter. There's always an exception isn't there. I don't have a ser# chart handy,it's some where in the stack.

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But I'd agree that with the ser# (assuming it does or SHOULD have the 'K' suffix,1940 or 41 would be a good guess. The high polish blue and fine fit and overall finish was still in order at that time. It wasn't long after that shortcuts started to show but they were gradual at first.

Commercial proofs would be in order. At about that time the German Gov't proof mark was being changed to the Eagle/N for nitro proof. 4/1/40 was the date that the old German Crown/N nitroproof mark was elliminated and replaced with the Eagle/N.

That can help date the pistol to either side of that date. But realize that changes didn't happen overnight, on time or in any perfect order. Another mark to look for if not a German Military issue weapon (no WaffenAmpt),would be possible German Police Issue. A tiny Eagle/L or Eagle/C marking is all there was. Sometimes on the frame on the left side right under the mag release,or in that area. May also be on the slide, on the right side usually. Any of the proof, Military issue or (Nazi) Police markings would be marked/stamped thru the original finish,not before it was blued.

Check the magazine to see if it is perhaps #'d to the pistol. On the finger extension, the serial number was often pantograph engraved into that extension. Sometimes stamped into the mag body on either side or even the spine of the mag. Not a lot of hard and fast rules however! I'll see if I can find that list. (I've got that book, but I don't recall a ser# chart in it,unless it was an addendum page and I lost it.

I'll check it anyway) Added. I found a listing of ser#'s from the old Walther board. I think it's been published in a book so I won't post it. It says PPK mfg in 1940 as betw ser#'s 262,xxx and 307,2xx (all with a suffix K) Any production year/ser# lists for the PPk and PP are based on old records outside of Factory production records, those no longer exist AFAIK. In other words they are an educated guess, but in most cases fairly accurate. Hope this helps. Today I got to re-visit the old WWII vet, and he graciously allowed me to photograph his Walther PPK, which I now estimate as having been made in early July, 1940.

The serial number does indeed have the 'K' suffix, which I missed in my early examination under dim light. It also shows commercial 'Eagle over N' proof marks.

There was no serial number anywhere on the magazine. Here are some pics: And here's a picture of the old gent himself, posing with a model of a P-47 complete with his old squadron colors, and his PPK. It was an honor and a privilege to talk with him; the WWII combat vets have been my heroes since childhood. Hope you enjoy the pictures.

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Greetings.I have a Walther PP for sale, and I have a guy who wants to buy it, but he won't buy it unless I can prove that it is war time. Pistols are not my strong point, so I need help dating this pistol. It is a standard PP, there are no markings on it except for the serial number and maker code.

It has a rough war finish, and there is no Walther legend on the left side. The number is 389337 P, and directly below it is the AC maker code. I can find no prood marks anywhere on the gun.Any help that can be offered would be greatly welcomed. Greetings.I have a Walther PP for sale, and I have a guy who wants to buy it, but he won't buy it unless I can prove that it is war time.

Pistols are not my strong point, so I need help dating this pistol. It is a standard PP, there are no markings on it except for the serial number and maker code. It has a rough war finish, and there is no Walther legend on the left side. The number is 389337 P, and directly below it is the AC maker code. I can find no prood marks anywhere on the gun.Any help that can be offered would be greatly welcomed.Your PP was made in or prior to April 1945 according to Deiter Marschal's Walther Pistols. See the Bottom of the attached page(Page 16).Your Pistol should have on the left side behind trigger guard the Eagle over 359 military acceptance stamp and on the right side under the ejection point the eagle over N Proof Mark(See page 112). Hello, i am new to Walther pistols and am buying one with what appears to be a horizontal 'N' with something (crown?) to the right of it, made ca.

What does N mean and the other character?Crow Crown over N stamp shows that the pistol was test fired using ammunition loaded with smokeless gunpowder. It is part of a system that Germany adopted in 1891.NAZI government changed the appearance of various marks.

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Crown over N became Eagle over N in 1941.If your PP has Crown over N, then it was made before 1941, otherwise it was made after 1941. Crown over N stamp shows that the pistol was test fired using ammunition loaded with smokeless gunpowder. It is part of a system that Germany adopted in 1891.NAZI government changed the appearance of various marks. Crown over N became Eagle over N in 1941.If your PP has Crown over N, then it was made before 1941, otherwise it was made after 1941.Much obliged for your response.

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Any significance to the fact it was made before 1941 and that it has no other mark? What would be a fair price of a pistol of this vintage in 98% condition, in your estimation?

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I realize there is an element of subjectivity to this but you appear to be very knowledgeable about these pistols (about which i have admitted i know very little).What resources (internet and books) are out there that might help me improve my knowledge of these pistols since i am about to be the owner of one?Regards and many thanks again, CrowSee this table to determine which year your pistol was made:It is important to realize that Walther made PP for a long time, since 1929. If all you have is just the regular Cown N mark, then most likely you have a pistol made for commercial sales. The next question is how it got to US.I know a little bit about Walther PP because I own three that were made after WW Two by Manuhrin, France under license from Walther. So I know basics, but not an expert.Your best bet is take some photographs and start your own thread. Maybe others will recognize something that you do not know is important. For everybody's information, the post-WW2 serial #s can be found in Dieter Marschall's book on Walthers.

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I have one more question though: Being new to Walthers i went ahead and bought a magazine for the.380 Walther i bought but have yet to receive. When i got it i noticed it has a ridge on the left side, while other magazines i see are smooth on both sides. Harry potter and the sorcerer's stone movie on youtube. None of the books i have discuss the difference in magazines, nor mention the ridge (elevation) on the side. Can someone explain to me if this means the magazine is for a post WW2 Walther.380, PP or PPK perhaps? There is no doubt that it is for a Walther PP or PPK.

Your help will be appreciated as always. For everybody's information, the post-WW2 serial #s can be found in Dieter Marschall's book on Walthers. I have one more question though: Being new to Walthers i went ahead and bought a magazine for the.380 Walther i bought but have yet to receive. When i got it i noticed it has a ridge on the left side, while other magazines i see are smooth on both sides.

None of the books i have discuss the difference in magazines, nor mention the ridge (elevation) on the side. Can someone explain to me if this means the magazine is for a post WW2 Walther.380, PP or PPK perhaps? There is no doubt that it is for a Walther PP or PPK. Your help will be appreciated as always. Like this one? Lotuss, just wondering if you ever found out any info about your pp with a 5 digit SN?

I also have one with 5 digits and the letter 'a'. Cant find info about it anywhere. Thanks.The letter 'A' after the five-digit serial # means that it is a.380 caliber made in France betwee 1954 and 1985. The numbers assigned to the French Co. (Manurhin) were 12003A-78148A. You should be able to place your pistol in this range and determine the approximate date of manufacture. My information comes from Dieter Marschall, Walther Pistols, page 28.Crow.

Hello Larvic. If you check out P38.com you'll probably find the date of production. The Crown over N means commercial.

The military ones have the Waffen proofs? The tiny eagle markings.The PPK/s has the PP sized frame and the PPK slide. These were made due to import regulations. Hope this helps.All WWII PPKs were marked with the Crown over N (C/N) or the Eagle over N (E/N) - (depending on the date produced - roughly speaking pre 1940 and post 1940). Walther was a commercial firm and subject to the German proof laws.German military (Army and Luftwaffe) ones were 'also' marked with E/WaA 359 or E/359.

The ones that went to the SS/RSHA had the required C/N or E/N plus the additional SS/RSHA identifying factors. And what difference: Walther PPK and Walther PPK-S?Thanks,The Walther PPK is the smaller version of the Walther PP.

PP stands for 'polizi pistol' and PPK 'polizi pistol kriminal' (My German sucks!) The PP was for use by the uniformed officer and PPK was for use by dectives who required a smaller pistol. The PPK's frame is smaller and the barrel length shorter, making is a smaller pistol.Back when the 1968 Gun Contol Act was passed, a point system was established to determine if a pistol could be imported into the US. The points were based upon the size of the frames and length of the barrels. It turns out the original PPK didn't have points to be imported but the PP did qualify. So to make a smaller pistol, the importers took the slide from the PPK and put it on the PP frame and this pistol had enough points to be imported. So the PPK/S was born.

The 'S' stood for Special.